The Lie - Where It Came From



“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually
  come to   believe it.”   
 -The Nazi, Joseph Goebbels

It came from Dave MacPherson who aggressively attacked the pretribulation rapture by attributing its origin to Margaret Macdonald, whom MacPherson considered to be occult influenced. He claimed J.N. Darby derived the pretribulation rapture from her and this was done secretly, lest the true origin of the rapture be discovered. This was the beginning of the MacDonald lie.

David MacPherson
  • David MacPherson began the whole controversy with his claims which have so little supporting evidence that one wonders how he could write his book with a straight face. Pretribulationalists should be indebted to MacPherson for exposing the facts, namely, that there is no proof that MacDonald or Irving originated the pretribulation Rapture teaching.
  • Max S. Weremchuk wrote a major biography on Darby entitled, “John Nelson Darby: A Biography. “ In it he says, "Having read MacPherson's book I find it impossible to make a just comparison between what Miss MacDonald 'prophesied' and what Darby taught. It appears that the wish was the father of the idea.”
John Nelson Darby, wrote of the Pre-trib Rapture in January of 1827
  • His denomination was the Plymouth Brethren
  • Darby had already written out his pretribulation Rapture views in January 1827, 3 years prior to the 1830 MacDonald prophecy.
  • Darby’s belief came from Scripture, not from a girl’s prophecy.
    He did not get his eschatological views from men, but rather from the doctrine of the church as the body of Christ. His views were gradually formed and theologically and Biblically based rather than derived from any Pentecostal group or MacDonald prophecy.
  • Darby went to the meetings being held where MacDonald gave her word, and he concluded that what was going on there was “demonic.” He would not have borrowed an idea from a source that he clearly thought was demonic.“
  • Darby's understanding of the pre-trib Rapture was the product of the development of his personal interactive thought with the text of Scripture as he, his friends, and dispensationalists have long contended.
  • Darby's earliest published essay on Biblical prophecy was in 1829. In his earliest of essays, he expounds upon the Rapture as the Church's hope, not the Church’s purification during the Tribulation.
  • Darby’s conclusion concerning the pre-trib Rapture came when he saw clearly the distinction between Israel and the Church, two separate dispensations.
Margaret MacDonald was post-trib
  • MacDonald’s vision was in 1830, 3 years after Darby’s conclusions about the Rapture
  • MacDonald was a member of the charismatic movement of 1830. John Darby went to investigate and dismissed her “vision” as "demonic." If Darby thought MacDonald to be under an "evil spell," why on earth would he use her writings to form some new doctrine?
  • MacDonald’s statements show her to hold a POST-trib position. She said of the Tribulation:
    "…being the fiery trial which is to try us …for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus." She looked for the Church being purged by the Antichrist. This is not pre-trib belief. Pre-trib doctrine shows the Church being removed BEFORE THE COMING of the Antichrist.
Roy A. Huebner, Brethren writer
Huebner wrote that Darby first began to believe in the pre-trib Rapture and develop his dispensational thinking while convalescing from a riding accident during December 1826 and January 1827. Huebner wrote of Darby's pre-trib and dispensational thoughts:
  • He saw from Isaiah 32 that there was a different dispensation coming …that Israel and the Church were distinct.
  • During his convalescence, Darby learned that he ”ought daily to expect his Lord's return."
  • He also saw a gap of time between the Rapture and the second coming
  • Darby himself said in 1857 that he first started understanding things relating to the pre-trib Rapture "thirty years ago," so that would be January 1827.
  • Darby had already understood those truths upon which the pre-tribulation Rapture hinges. He claimed that the doctrine virtually jumped out of the pages of Scripture once he accepted and consistently maintained the distinction between Israel and the church.
  • Huebner considers MacPherson's charges as "using slander that J. N. Darby took the pretribulation Rapture from those very opposing, demon-inspired utterances.”
John Bray
Bray was an anti-Rapture believer, but he said that Margaret MacDonald was teaching a single coming of our Lord Jesus. This contradicts the Rapture doctrine which teaches a two-staged event: first, Christ comes for His Church and second, seven years later his return to earth. So Margaret MacDonald was post-trib, NOT pre-trib.

There are not a lot of writings from the early church period on the subject of the Rapture. And why should there be? They were not to live in those days. The earliest writings from which we have learned about these things are found in the Bible’s Book of Daniel. After receiving the revelation, Daniel was told:
“Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.”

Ephraem the Syrian, 373 AD ---1,454 years before Darby
"For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

John Gill (1748)
Dr. John Gill was one of the most brilliant scholars of his day. This Calvinist Baptist theologian wrote a full commentary set on the Bible in 1748. In this commentary he made a statement in his notes on 1 Thessalonians 4 that supported a time difference between the Rapture of the saints and the coming of Christ to earth. He said:
"....here Christ will stop and will be visible to all, and as easily discerned by all, good and bad, as the body of the sun at noon-day; as yet He will not descend on earth, because it is not fit to receive Him; but when that and its works are burnt up, and it is purged and purified by fire, and become a new earth, He'll descend upon it, and dwell with his saints in it: and this suggests another reason why He'll stay in the air, and His saints shall meet Him there, and whom He'll take up with Him into the third heaven, till the general conflagration and burning of the world is over, and to preserve them from it...."

Joseph Mede (1586-1638)
"I will add this more, namely, what may be conceived to be the cause of this RAPTURE of the saints on high to meet the Lord in the clouds, rather than to wait his coming to earth....What if it be, that they may be PRESERVED during the Conflagration of the earth and the works thereof, 2 Pet.3:10, that as Noah and his family were preserved from the Deluge by being lift up above the waters in the Ark; so should the saints at the Conflagration be lift up in the clouds unto their Ark, Christ, to be preserved there from the deluge of fire, wherein the wicked shall be consumed?" ("The
Works of Joseph Mede," 1672, London edition, Book IV, p.776)

Irenaeus (130 A.D. – 202 AD)
“And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”

Cyprian (200 AD – 258 AD
Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”




Compare the Rapture and The Second Coming of Jesus Christ

When
BEFORE the Tribulation
Luke 21:36
AFTER the Tribulation
Matthew 24:29-30


Who
Christ comes FOR the saints
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
Christ comes WITH the saints
Jude 14 & Revelation 19:11-21


Where to
Christ takes the saints to heaven John 14:3 Christ brings the saints to earth Zechariah 14:4-5 & Revelation 19:14


Where from
Christ returns to the air
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Christ returns to the earth
Zechariah 14:4-5


Visible?
Christ is not seen
1 Corinthians 15:52
Every eye shall see him
Revelation 1:7


Effect
It is the blessed hope of the believers    Titus 2:13 It is the great day of God’s wrath
Revelation 19:15



As In The Days Of Noah

"And as it was in the days of NOAH, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man. They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise as it was also in the days of LOT. They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Luke 17:26-30

Noah wasn't put into the ark halfway through the beginnings of the rain. He went into the ark before the first drop fell.

"So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons' wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood ... And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth."
Genesis 7:7-10

Furthermore, it wasn't during threatening times that he went into the ark. At the time, they were going about life as usual, buying, selling, marrying, giving in marriage.

Likewise when God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah
"When the morning dawned, the angels urged Lot to hurry, saying, 'Arise, take your wife and your two daughters who are here, lest you be consumed in the punishment of the city.' And while he lingered, the men took hold of his hand, his wife's hand, and the hands of his two daughters, the Lord being merciful to him, and they brought him out and set him outside the city. So it came to pass, when they had brought them outside, that he said, 'Escape for your life! Do not look behind you nor stay anywhere in the plain. Escape to the mountains, lest you be destroyed.'''
Gen 19:15-17

Lot wasn't moving fast enough so the angel prevailed on him to hurry, because he couldn't bring the judgment UNTIL LOT WAS OUT OF THERE:
"Hurry, escape there. For I cannot do anything until you arrive there."
Genesis 19:22

While the worst judgments of the Tribulation come after the midpoint when the Antichrist goes into the Temple, the first 3-1/2 years will NOT be normal times. From the beginning of the "time of sorrows," life on earth will be increasingly traumatic until the birth pains come to the end.

The entire seven-year period will be times of increasingly terrible birth pains.

The Rapture precedes all of the tribulation of the last seven years.

No One Knows The Day Or The Hour?

by Robert Breaker

A Brief Overview Of The Revelation 12 Sign

from Parable Of The Vineyard


The Kingdom And The Rapture


  by Charles Lawson         40 min

Rapture Theories - The Reasoning Behind The Various Dates People Came Up With

by Robert Breaker

The Upcoming Eclipse - A Must-Hear

by Pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries

CERN Update by Anthony Patch -A MUST-HEAR

by Anthony Patch on the Hagmann and Hagmann Report.

A VERY informative discussion on CERN and it's association with all that's expected to happen THIS YEAR.

Fast forward to 1 hour 17 min 


Did Ken Peters See a Vision of The Rapture And The Tribulation?

Friends, I am very skeptical when it comes to dreams and visions because I've seen so much that is false. I'm posting this because I listen to pastor Steve Cioccolanti so I have some respect for his discernment. So here it goes, make up your own mind.

by 
Steve Cioccolanti




Here is the part of Ken Peter's testimony concerning the Rapture:





Here is the full 1-1/2 hour testimony:






Jimmy Evans Speaks From Jerusalem On The Sept 23, 2017 Sign

Pay special attention to:
*  Judah Ben Samuel's prophecy
*  1918 after the solar eclipse
*  Corpus Christie Texas, was evacuated.
   Corpus Christie is latin for "The body of Christ."
*  The "Great Sign" of Revelation 12, to be seen on Sept 23
*  What he shows about the red dragon in that constellation ( ! ! ! )

Signs Of Jesus's Return

by Hal Lindsey




2017 Is Jubilee Year 5777

All eyes should be on the year 2017. Dan Goodwin explains why.




The Revelation 12 Countdown

by Daniel W. Matson

Numbers

Anniversaries in 2017

– It is 70 Years from 1947 to rebirth Of Israel.
– It is the 50th anniversary or year of Jubilee from Jerusalem.
– It is the 500th Anniversary of the reformation.
– It is the 70th Anniversary of the dead sea scrolls.
– It is the 120th Jubilee from Adam.
– It is the 70th Jubilee since Canaan.
– It is the 40th Jubilee since Christ death.
– It lands on the exact day of the Feast of Trumpets.
– It is the 70th Jubilee since Exodus (1483 B.C).
– It is 100th anniversary of Balfour Declaration (official act to give Jews return of land).
– It marks the year 5777 on the Jewish Calendar. The Biblical numeric meaning of 5777 is Grace means (5) and (7) means perfect completion.
Days from a Date and Hebrew year of 5777 (2017) and the number 7.
– 726 days from the last blood moon September 28, 2015 to September 23, 2017
  Strong’s Concordance word 726 is harpazo or “to snatch up”.
– 09/16/17 will be the 6 years, 6 months, 6 days anniversary after the March 11, 2011 Fukushima Japan earthquake.

09/30/17 will be the 666 weeks (111,888 hours) anniversary after the 12/26/04 Indonesia earthquake and tsunami. The projected Revelation 12 sign occurs exactly in the middle of these two days. All three dates are Sabbaths.
– 7/21/17 (7/ 7+7+7 = 21 /17) A 6.7 magnitude earthquake struck an area of Greece and Turkey that just so happens to be the same area referenced for the 7 Churches of Revelation and the 6.7 earthquake happened 7 days to the day that Israel reclaimed the Temple Mount since 1967 due to the terrorist attack on 7/14/17 (see below).
– 7/17/17 (71717) Jews allowed to pray on Temple Mount formally for the first time since 1967. Also on 71717 there was a 7.7 earthquake in Russia that was 7 miles deep 177 days after the last 7 sized earthquake. Further, this earthquake happened at 7:34 PM (7:3+4=7) and happened exactly 66 days until possible Revelation 12 sign due on 9/23/17. Tropical Storm Don also formed 177 days (inclusive) after Donald Trump’s first complete day in office.
– July 14, 2017 Temple Mount Attack. The temple mount was attacked at 7:00 AM on 07/14/17 or 7/(7+7) in Hebrew year 5777. The attack happened in the Old City in East Jerusalem, which Israel captured from Jordan in the 1967 war. From the time this attack happened to September 23, 2017 is 70 days. 2 officers died in the attack on 7/14/2017 or 7 /(2 x 7)/17 and 3 assailants died = 5 total on 7/(7+7) or 5777. Possible foreshadowing of the 2 witnesses? You be the judge – 70 days to the 7th Month in the 70th year before the 70th week.
– The international Day of Peace at the United Nations is Sept 21, 2017
which they have every year but the theme in 2017 is “Together for Peace: Respect, Safety and Dignity for All.” this year.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 – Says For when they shall say, PEACE AND SAFETY,
then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child
and they shall not escape.
– Founding of the United Nations was October 24, 1945. From this date, 10/24/1945 to 09/23/2017 is 26,267 days. Add the days (2+6+2+6+7= 23). From the 70th anniversary of the United Nations on 10/24/15 to 09/23/2017 is 700 days.
– Another alignment happens with the Great Pyramid on September 20, 2017. This date juxtaposed to the Sign of the Woman on September 23, 2017. This alignment will not happen again either. 3 planets align over the 3 pyramids of Giza, 3 days before September 23, 2017 and form the “Christ Angle” that points at Israel.
– “At the last trump” is knowns as the Feast of Trumpets, also known as the day that “no man knows the day or hour. Last trump to the biggest gentile nation also at the same time? Donald Trump / Mike Pence = TrumpPence or “Trumpets”
– Trump’s first day of office he was 70 YEARS OLD, 7 MONTHS AND 7 DAYS.
  Trump was inaugurated on 1/20/17, having won the election with exactly
  77 electoral votes.
– On the Ides of March, Donald Trump had 666 delegates. The Ides of March marked a turning point in Roman history, as the Roman Republic became a Roman Empire ruled by a succession of dictators.
– Trump family bought the most expensive single building ever purchased in the United States, at 666 Fifth Avenue. $1.8 billion was paid for this property (18 = 3*6 = 666).
– Trump Tower in Chicago has 5 sections.
– Trump Tower in New York has 7 sections.
This distance between these 2 towers is 795.66 miles (7+9+5+6+6 = 33)
– Trump’s Father was Frederick Christ Trump, Mother was Mary Trump.
Trump's Father, Fred Christ Trump died on 6/25/1999 and from this date until the possible Revelation 12 sign on 9/23/2017 is 6666 days.
Elisabeth CHRIST, Trump's grandmother (Her last name was Christ) was born on October 10, 1880 in Kallstadt, Pfalz, Germany and died on June 6, 1966 ( 6/6/66 (666)
Queens, New York and was considered the Matriarch of the Trump empire.
Queen Elizabeth will be 33,333 days old on 7/25/2017 ( 7 ( 5 + 2) 2017 or 7/7/2017).
– Trump was finalized with 304 electoral votes (3 + 4 = 7)
– 7 days after November 7th (Election Eve) was the largest Supermoon in 70 years.
– Trump was born on a lunar eclipse 700 days before Israel’s rebirth and was 777 days old 77 days after Israel became a nation.
– Trump just started the 57th presidential term – that happens in Hebrew year 5777 – and Mike Pence was also 57 years old.
– Syria was attacked on Trump’s 77th day in office; Putin was 777 months old at his first meeting with Trump on 7/7/2017 and the meeting was mainly about Syria. The meeting was also 77 days and 5 hours from 7:00 to the start of the day on September 23, 2017 (possible Revelation 12 sign.)
– 7/17/17 can be presented as 71717. Add the numbers (7+1+7+1+7) = 23. September 23 foreshadow? From 7/17/17 to 9/23/17 is 18.63% the amount of days of 2017. 18.63 or 18.(6×3=18). A picture of 18/18. Which could be further reduced to (6+6+6=18 / 6+6+6=18) or 666/666. Why this breakdown? This could point to another current person on the scene, Bashar Al-Assad. Bashar Al-Assad took office in Syria on 7/17/2000 which was 17 years ago on 7/17/17. Also if you add the total digits of 7/17/2000 together, (7+1+7+2=17). Need more? Bashar Al-Assad will be age 52 on 9/11/2017. So that means (5+2=7) on 9/11.
-Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu is currently 67 years old and was 67 years old when Jerusalem celebrates its 50th anniversary on 6/7/2017
– Netanyahu was born on the 7 + 7 + 7 (21 day of October 1949 and graduated high school in 1967 and graduated from MIT in 1977.
– It will be 444 weeks from Obama’s first inauguration to 7/25/2017 ( 7 ( 5 + 2) 2017 or 7/7/2017). It will also be 3333 days from Obama’s first nomination to the same date. Obama was 666 months old or 55.5 years on 02/04/17. 6x6x6 = 216. Obama’s birthday is on 08/04/17 which is the 216th day of the year. Obama’s zips code was 60606 in Chicago = 666. The day after Obama winning the election in 2008 the winning lottery numbers had the combination numbers of 666.
-From Netanyahu’s first day in office to Trump’s election was 7 years, 7 months, and 7 days.
August 21 Eclipse
– The August eclipse occurs exactly 33 days before the Revelation 12 Sign,
beginning in the 33rd state (Oregon),
and ending in South Carolina at the 33rd parallel.
-The eclipse is also exactly 40 days from Yom Kippur and the path of totality will be 70 miles wide. The zone of totality arrives onshore at 1716 UT – same exact time of sunset in Jerusalem.
– 7 years later another eclipse, and both form a X over the United States that rests right over a region in southern Illinois called “Little Egypt.” The exact point where the two paths cross is in the town of Makanda, which used to be called the “Star of Egypt”.
– The first major city that will witness the eclipse is Oregon’s state capital, Salem. Salem is the shortened version of “Jerusalem”, which is the most prophetically significant city in the entire Bible. Jerusalem was originally called Salem in the days of Melchizedek (Genesis 14:18) and the closest road to the exact point where the two eclipses cross is Salem Road in Makanda, Illinois.
– The eclipse touches all 3 major earthquake fault lines of the United States. The eclipse will be the first total solar eclipse that only affects the United States since 1776, founding of the country.
That is only the tip of the ice with this eclipse. Take a look at a list of 33+ facts about the August 21, 2017 eclipse.

The Wisemen’s journey and more thought provoking items.

Wise men’s journey was estimated around 2 years in length. They followed the Star of Bethlehem. Star of Bethlehem resurfaced June 30, 2015 leading us to summer/fall of 2017. From June 30, 2015 Star of Bethlehem to Aug 14, 2017 is 777 days. It is also 111 weeks. 777+111 = 888. The Greek letters for Jesus makes the numbers 888.
There are 7 x 7 = 49 years = 7 weeks of years leading up to a Jubilee year. June 7th 1967 Jerusalem was restored to Israel and began to be built up in trouble times. 49 prophetic years x 360 days = 17.640 days. Count from June 7th 1967 forward, to the day 17.640 days and see where it takes you?
Puts you at September 23th 2015 which was YOM KIPPUR (Leviticus 25:8-10). September 23, 2015 – September 23, 2017 – 2+/- year journey anyone?
None of this takes into consideration of the events in September of 2015or September of 2016, both of which were filled with more possible end-time events than any previous years of a single month.

Importance of these numbers in the Bible..

70 years is the life of a man (Psalm 90:10)
70 elders Moses put over Israel (Exodus 24:9)
70 men God killed for looking into the Ark of the Covenant (1 Samuel 6:19)
70 palm trees (Exodus 15:27)
70 weeks of probationary time in Daniel 9.
Noah’s father Lamech lived 777 years and died 5 years before the Flood (7775) – an inversion of the current Hebrew year (5777) – We are in the Days of Noah – we even have Noah’s ark launched 1 year before 7/7/2017.
Israel was in Babylon for 70 years because they violated 70 Sabbath years (2 Chronicles 36:21)
7 Seals + 7 Trumpets + 7 Bowls + 7 biblical feasts
The Name “YaHWeH” written in Hebrew appears as 777
40 means testing, 40 years of wandering
50 means release of debt
Shabbat Shuva begins at sundown on Fri, 22 September 2017. This Shabbat is named after the first word of the Haftarah (Hosea 14:2-10) and literally means “Return!”
2017 to 2024 offers the only noticeable timeline where the Tribulation of 2550 days could begin unquestionably on a Fall Feast date and end on a Fall Feast date. The alignment is so shocking that exactly 2550 days fits with the Tribulation beginning on the last day of the last Fall Feast on Tabernacles, October 11th, 2017 and ending on the first day of the first Fall Feast which is Rosh Hashanah, October 4th, 2024.
This is interesting in light of that Jesus will fulfill the final three Fall Feasts in short, subsequent order while on earth, just as He fulfilled the Spring Feasts already. This timeline would also allow the Second Coming could be on the Feast of Trumpets in 2024, allowing Jesus to fulfill that feast AND followed 10 days later by a fulfillment of the Day of Atonement, and 5 days after that by a fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles.
2024 is year 6000 since Creation according to Johannes Kepler, who was the founder of modern astronomy (developed the laws of planetary motion). He pinpointed 3977 BC as the year of Creation. Since there is no year ‘0’, 2024 would be exactly year 6000 since Creation if his biblical calculations were correct.

More on Revelation 12, will Israel see it?

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. – Revelation 12:1-5
The entire sign will be in the western sky above Israel and Jerusalem on Saturday, September 23rd – and how fitting that the sign that may be heralding the end of the Church Age will be seen right where the sun sets and the day ends. Readers might argue that observers can not see the alignment because the sun is up, BUT that’s exactly what John saw – the woman is clothed with the sun. It is a daytime sign. And, as a matter of fact, after the sun sets, everything but the woman’s crown will be visible in the night sky.
However, the text in Revelation 12:1 makes clear that the sign spoken of in the chapter is more than just a parable: “A great sign appeared in heaven…”
Congrats if you made it this far and read everything above, 2 or 3 times. Now, what to do with this information? – BE AWAKE! We don’t have to set our eyes on a specific DAY but we can see the intensity in which the SEASON we are in now and the intensity GROWS, pointing to many of the world leaders on the scene NOW.
The Creator is the greatest mathematician ever. Everything has the fingerprints of His design.

The Book of Gad

Gary Stearman and Ken Johnson